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Title: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Red Slug on November 17, 2009, 04:51:55 PM
As you might know, BMS is announced for 2009, and end of the year is in sight (1 1/2 month).
Recently, lots of rumors and speculations about the upcoming release of Black Mesa Source are going through their community, members reported that the forums are getting cleaned up and their website has been polished as well.

Today -09/11/17-, the BMS website nor the forums are available. (509 Bandwidth Limit Exceeded)


What do you think about that? What are BMS devs working out in the shadow of the current L4D2 release? What can we expect?

EDIT: Apparently, the admin just ordered unmetered bandwidth on the server, the limit has been completely removed now. Anyway, maybe they're just keep preparing :)
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Gravewrecker on November 17, 2009, 05:52:51 PM
I'm sure it'll come out this year, but I don't think they'll release the mod one day before necessary...
so I'll just hold my breath another two month :)
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Barnz on November 17, 2009, 06:55:58 PM
I want to see HL:E, rather than a remake.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Markovsky on November 17, 2009, 07:36:23 PM
I want to see HL:E, rather than a remake.

I don't think so. Why?
Because they still have dificult in recreate the Xen Parts.
They have to make new textures and stuff like that for Xen.
I think the mod is going to be released, but not on this year.
Its my opinion.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Barnz on November 17, 2009, 07:50:45 PM
Not everyone is happy with the way they went. HL:E is more close to original HL.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Markovsky on November 17, 2009, 07:58:00 PM
Not everyone is happy with the way they went. HL:E is more close to original HL.

And HLSHD too.
In BMS they recreate all maps.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: highvelocityraptor on November 17, 2009, 08:28:58 PM
I have something to ask.
I looked at the Black Mesa: Source requirements and saw that it only required a Source game (not ATi HL2DM offer), much like Garrysmod. Is this true?
I mean BM:S is a remake of HL:S, but if you own CS:S why bother with HL:S when you can get something with way better? Shouldn't the mod requirement be you need HL:S to play BM:S?
Another thing is I heard SC might have Opposing Force co-op, why buy OP4 when you can get SC for free?
If this is true, why not stick CSCZ:DS co-op in SC? Isn't VALVe losing an extremely small amount of money by this?
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Markovsky on November 17, 2009, 08:50:44 PM
I have something to ask.
I looked at the Black Mesa: Source requirements and saw that it only required a Source game (not ATi HL2DM offer), much like Garrysmod. Is this true?
I mean BM:S is a remake of HL:S, but if you own CS:S why bother with HL:S when you can get something with way better? Shouldn't the mod requirement be you need HL:S to play BM:S?
Another thing is I heard SC might have Opposing Force co-op, why buy OP4 when you can get SC for free?
If this is true, why not stick CSCZ:DS co-op in SC? Isn't VALVe losing an extremely small amount of money by this?

You're right. Just one Source account is suficient.
I'll get The Orange Box soon, so that doesn't matter to me.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: KevinLancaster on November 18, 2009, 05:14:59 AM
I mean BM:S is a remake of HL:S, but if you own CS:S why bother with HL:S when you can get something with way better? Shouldn't the mod requirement be you need HL:S to play BM:S?

Huh? It's a remake of HL1 built from the ground up using the Source engine. HL:S is basically a port of HL1 onto Source with nothing changed.
All you need is the Source Engine SDK to play Black Mesa Source, which comes with the major releases from Valve. You don't need HL:S.
So I guess that maybe Valve is losing a slight amount of money from this, but I don't think they're making that much money from HL:S to begin with.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Markovsky on November 18, 2009, 11:07:35 AM
Huh? It's a remake of HL1 built from the ground up using the Source engine. HL:S is basically a port of HL1 onto Source with nothing changed.
All you need is the Source Engine SDK to play Black Mesa Source, which comes with the major releases from Valve. You don't need HL:S.
So I guess that maybe Valve is losing a slight amount of money from this, but I don't think they're making that much money from HL:S to begin with.

So, you don´t need an Source game, you need the Source SDK, isn´t it?
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: KevinLancaster on November 18, 2009, 04:48:19 PM
So, you don´t need an Source game, you need the Source SDK, isn´t it?

Which you can only get officially from one of Valve's major Source engine releases.

http://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Price&sort_order=ASC&category1=998&category2=16
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: waqwarrior on November 20, 2009, 02:12:13 AM
I'm personally more excited for Operation Black Mesa and Guard Duty... kinda.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: KylerAdams on November 20, 2009, 03:00:56 AM
Neither of which have as much progress as BMS, yes?
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Red Slug on November 22, 2009, 09:09:20 PM
Neither of which have as much progress as BMS, yes?

Yeah, IIRC both teams had major setbacks and restarted their whole project, so I guess we'll have to wait a few years until something will be released...
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: waqwarrior on November 22, 2009, 11:12:00 PM
I hope they can make the textures have the same look/feel as BMS...they wouldn't feel asconnected to each other if not, y'know? If itwereup to me thethree groups would be working together.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Barnz on November 22, 2009, 11:17:28 PM
i hope not - because bm's black mesa looks nothing like original
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: waqwarrior on November 23, 2009, 12:03:14 AM
Well imo it has the same feel as HL... Kinda. Half-life has a finesse that can only be achieved on goldsource.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: KylerAdams on November 23, 2009, 12:19:18 AM
No, it doesn't. It's bringing a whole new feel to Half-Life.

It may be totally awesome. It might suck ass.

Who knows?

I'd honestly like the teams to work together. BMS + OBM anyways. They've got some of the same areas in game, so they should look the same. (the dam in particular)
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: waqwarrior on November 23, 2009, 12:49:20 AM
Yeah I'll be pissed if they don't look damn close (no pun intended)...and plus OpBM has many members also working on Guard Duty. All that's left for Source is Decay,which could be vastly better on Source... Seems like it would work better on Source imo
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: highvelocityraptor on November 23, 2009, 01:03:15 AM
That raises a darn good question. Why the devil don't all these modders of different mods get together and laser these mods into release? It would certainly be a good recover from the breakup of BB:S.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: waqwarrior on November 23, 2009, 01:21:30 AM
I know, right? It's not like they compete for sales or glory; it's passion for something they love.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: toadie on November 25, 2009, 06:05:27 AM
That raises a darn good question. Why the devil don't all these modders of different mods get together and laser these mods into release? It would certainly be a good recover from the breakup of BB:S.
Imagine this in a different context.
Think of it as if it were suggested that the US, Russia and China should merge. Sure ,the benefits of all 3 nations would be shared, but you've got 3 conflicting ideologies ,governments and assets to ameliorate, wealth to redistribute, and a whole host of policy and legal issues. It's incredibly complex stuff, which is why it's probably NOT a good idea to merge the three. Instead, the there nations should share stuff where it's mutually beneficia, which is what diplomacy is all about, and all 3 do indeed share when it's beneficial.
Same deal with OBM, GD and BMS. Assume they've got completely different structures internally, different code bases, hell even Different design goals. You can't just say "merge" and imagine that it'd be like creating the perfect mod. You're going to find that it'd become a nightmare, especially internal managment. Instead, the three mods should share where needed (I'm not entirely sure if they do or not, but because they're covering similar material there should be some overlap), but stay 3 separate entities, much like the addons were in the first place.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: waqwarrior on November 25, 2009, 11:42:08 AM
Wealth to redistribute? You buy into that? Geez, what has the world come to?

Aside from that, ... Toadie is absolutely correct. Well of course with mods it would be on a much smaller scale.

The idea is really just a pipe dream.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Nige111 on November 25, 2009, 01:52:40 PM
Wealth to redistribute?

Magazines that come with disks with mods on get paid to distribute them through the price of the magazine.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Red Slug on November 25, 2009, 05:52:20 PM
Magazines that come with disks with mods on get paid to distribute them through the price of the magazine.

Which will violate several copyright-laws. I guess, the best way to distribute the mod in a non-commercial way would be Steam.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: waqwarrior on November 26, 2009, 06:58:44 PM
Aye. Thanks for clarification. i thought you were talking about something else...
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Red Slug on December 07, 2009, 07:46:54 PM
The date at the end of the trailer only indicates, which year an update or statement is released/given...
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Gravewrecker on December 07, 2009, 07:51:03 PM
Damn, even more wait   :(
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Red Slug on December 07, 2009, 08:01:20 PM
Damn, even more wait   :(
Next official mediaupdate: November 2010  :D
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Flowers Of Naivety on December 07, 2009, 08:09:18 PM
Yeah they said it won't be released this year... uhg.

"Hello Black Mesa fans!

We come to you once again with an update. It's now the end of 2009, and we know many of you have literally counted the days down until this fateful month. We are floored by the level of support you have given us and are very excited we're so close to reaching our goal.

Unfortunately, to our great disappointment, Black Mesa will not make a 2009 release.

Cynics may now rejoice, bets may be collected, and I think a mod team member has to eat his shoe, but we hope our loyal fans will forgive us and realize that the delay will translate into a better final product that's (hopefully) more easily available to everyone.

Once again we apologize for what has to be very disappointing news. We placed a 2009 deadline on ourselves to motivate us and bring this 6 year project to a close. And while we didn't quite make it, we have come very close and you can expect a complete, polished game to hit your hard drives in the near future. We'll be sure and update if anything changes. Until then, hang tight, it's coming! "
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Firebringer on December 24, 2009, 01:32:56 PM
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/333/agruntarmr.jpg)

Black Mesa's Wiki has a lot of new media, check it out.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Nige111 on December 24, 2009, 01:53:12 PM
The armour look waaaaay too humanly crafted.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Barnz on December 24, 2009, 04:06:57 PM
I don't like that one bit.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Abyss 25 on December 24, 2009, 05:16:25 PM
That looks sick,

Fully sick.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: highvelocityraptor on December 24, 2009, 05:44:44 PM
Head looks too human.

Otherwise, looks great.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Barnz on December 24, 2009, 05:47:19 PM
It looks nothing like Alien Grunt from original Half-Life, I thought that was the point, since it's supposed to be a recreation.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Abyss 25 on December 24, 2009, 05:54:22 PM
I'm thinking now it's more along the lines of a 'Re-Imagining'.

HL's art style sucked anyways. Sure it was pretty cool in the 90's but now.......
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Firebringer on December 24, 2009, 06:06:41 PM
http://wiki.blackmesasource.com/index.php/Main_Page (http://wiki.blackmesasource.com/index.php/Main_Page)

You can find some more media here, like the alien controller and some hot new zombie renders.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Barnz on December 24, 2009, 10:36:46 PM
HL's art style sucked anyways. Sure it was pretty cool in the 90's but now.......

Do you know how many people prefer Black Mesa to City-17?
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Abyss 25 on December 24, 2009, 11:17:23 PM
You're talking setting, I'm thinking more texture/model.

Think of it this way, compare the 4 iterations of votiguant the HL games have seen, each one different artistically from the last, each one an improvement over the last. It's just how things progress, newer games are better then older ones in almost every respect. Part of it is technology, but the newer, slimy, slightly different proportioned vort is way better looking then the way more 'hunchy', rough skinned vorts before it. Art styles change, the proportions of the old alien grunt were strange and made little sense. Why would something that evolved on a low gravity world be so bulky and muscular? At any rate the surface textures of it are mostly the same. It's not change for the sake of change. It's just them trying to bring the art of HL more up to date in a similar manner to what Valve did with the vorts. Imo that's pretty understandable.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Gravewrecker on December 26, 2009, 12:24:43 PM
I actually like the body, but the head and armor (especially helmet) make it look like a futuristic Nazi-Zombie-thing.
I'd more expect to see it in a game like wolfenstein not in half-life / Black-mesa.
The old one really had that feeling, it was coming from a different world, that feeling now got kinda lost in the new design.
It's still super-quality work of course.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Red Slug on December 26, 2009, 07:49:35 PM
(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/333/agruntarmr.jpg)

Black Mesa's Wiki has a lot of new media, check it out.

Panzer-Cops anyone?
(http://www.santaquiteria.net/wp-content/fgallery/200x/Jin-Roh.jpg)

Nice, that there's at least some media for Chrismas, but I don't really like where the design of the alien-characters is going...
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Flowers Of Naivety on December 27, 2009, 06:46:52 AM
I think it looks perfect.

Except for the short shorts.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: TonicBH on December 27, 2009, 02:55:28 PM
Yeah they said it won't be released this year... uhg.

"Hello Black Mesa fans!

We come to you once again with an update. It's now the end of 2009, and we know many of you have literally counted the days down until this fateful month. We are floored by the level of support you have given us and are very excited we're so close to reaching our goal.

Unfortunately, to our great disappointment, Black Mesa will not make a 2009 release.

Cynics may now rejoice, bets may be collected, and I think a mod team member has to eat his shoe, but we hope our loyal fans will forgive us and realize that the delay will translate into a better final product that's (hopefully) more easily available to everyone.

Once again we apologize for what has to be very disappointing news. We placed a 2009 deadline on ourselves to motivate us and bring this 6 year project to a close. And while we didn't quite make it, we have come very close and you can expect a complete, polished game to hit your hard drives in the near future. We'll be sure and update if anything changes. Until then, hang tight, it's coming! "

I am not surprised that this got delayed. Again. I'm surprised that people still care about the mod, I stopped caring 3 years ago. This is like the DNF of game mods.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: waqwarrior on December 27, 2009, 06:23:49 PM
They... ruined the Alien Grunt. The face, the helmet, the proportions... I mean sure, the proportions were a bit strange, but that is, imo, what made it memorable and fun to fight. Now it'll feel like I'm fighting some mutant body builder that needs to lay off the protein bars. :S

Not a fan.

<random>
I'm curious as to why the hgrunt zombies and barney zombies are going to have the same health as the sci zombies. WTF?!
The hgrunt ones took as many shots to kill as a normal hgrunt, same with the guards. Just a little thing that's gonna bug me :\
/rant
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Greer on December 28, 2009, 05:03:55 AM
They... ruined the Alien Grunt. The face, the helmet, the proportions... I mean sure, the proportions were a bit strange, but that is, imo, what made it memorable and fun to fight. Now it'll feel like I'm fighting some mutant body builder that needs to lay off the protein bars. :S

Not a fan.

<random>
I'm curious as to why the hgrunt zombies and barney zombies are going to have the same health as the sci zombies. WTF?!
The hgrunt ones took as many shots to kill as a normal hgrunt, same with the guards. Just a little thing that's gonna bug me :\
/rant

Untill we see comparison of Hgrunt/Sci to Agrunt we cant say, maybe hes at least bigger then them?
On hgrunt/barney zombies=i believe they were made to just make it different.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: gi777 on December 28, 2009, 09:28:35 AM
I like it how you all complain just because the design isn't 100% the same as the original. Srsly, are you going to complain how the mp5 has an eotech now and the original didn't too?
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Gravewrecker on December 28, 2009, 12:18:59 PM
Yes, that one looked horrible (Style not Quality-wise)  too....
Luckily they're using a different one now, which looks much better. (can be seen in one of the videos)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7iXwSJeuqM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7iXwSJeuqM)
That should be the one...
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Firebringer on December 28, 2009, 03:15:11 PM
Besides, they changed the Alien Grunt the same way valve changed the Vortigaunt in HL2.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Barnz on December 28, 2009, 03:48:36 PM
I like it how you all complain just because the design isn't 100% the same as the original. Srsly, are you going to complain how the mp5 has an eotech now and the original didn't too?

Yes.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Leeroy1337 on December 29, 2009, 09:48:11 AM
I like it how you all complain just because the design isn't 100% the same as the original. Srsly, are you going to complain how the mp5 has an eotech now and the original didn't too?

The story of Half-Life is set in 2000 (am I right?) and EOTech wasn't developed until 2005.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Flowers Of Naivety on December 29, 2009, 10:43:11 AM
No, closer to 2010.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Firebringer on December 29, 2009, 03:45:12 PM
According to the devs, The EOTech won't be on there.

It'll look like this:
(http://wiki.blackmesasource.com/images/7/72/NewMP5.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: KylerAdams on December 29, 2009, 04:43:11 PM
The story of Half-Life is set in 2000 (am I right?) and EOTech wasn't developed until 2005.

What would you do if I pointed out that PCVs haven't been developed yet?

Would your logic circuits overload?

Honestly there's a point of quibbling over minor things. The date EOTech units were first designed is far beyond that.

With that said, BMS = DNF of HL community.
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: waqwarrior on January 09, 2010, 02:33:47 PM
FoN, the year has always been said to be 200-... however, a few things point it to 2003. Its on the timeline on the HL wiki (deprived of a pc atm, no link...)
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Flowers Of Naivety on January 09, 2010, 07:12:02 PM
Yeah I guess you're right, it's been a while since I looked into the HL1 story...
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: waqwarrior on January 09, 2010, 07:50:56 PM
:P

I personally think BM isn't going to live up to expectations... have you seem the suggestions thread? It's kinda crazy. Some of the ideas are good, but many are like wtf
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Flowers Of Naivety on January 09, 2010, 11:02:41 PM
It will live up to my expectations. I keep mine low all the time just in case :P
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: Barnz on January 09, 2010, 11:09:20 PM
inb4 who cares, it's free
Title: Re: Black Mesa Source?
Post by: waqwarrior on January 10, 2010, 01:18:43 AM
If at first you don't succeed, lower your expectations.

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