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Title: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: halflifedave on October 13, 2007, 11:30:14 PM
Again, sorry for caps, but HOLY SHIT!! This just seem to come from nowhere. Includes singleplayer, Village (training), and Alamo (custom add-on). Has ragdolls and such. I wonder if folks will port Invasion anytime soon.

Source site: http://www.fpsbanana.com/games/1146
DL: Link = http://rapidshare.com/files/55805389/heart_of_evil_source.7z.html

It's for real and enjoy  ;D
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Memobot on October 13, 2007, 11:34:02 PM
I've just been on the Heart of Evil website (found it in my favourites and thought it was a dead link) and it had an article on someone using the source files uploaded there. I will download this tommorow  ;D
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: James on October 14, 2007, 12:28:54 AM
Yeah, the article on the site is about Heart of Evil Enhancement Pack, which is a different thing to Heart of Evil Source.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Barnz on October 14, 2007, 03:51:39 AM
No lights, faster NPCs...it's worse than the real Vietnam.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMRT5fv4ncE
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: hydeph on October 14, 2007, 04:40:49 AM
would it have made more sense to port it after the Enhancement Pack was completed?

?_?
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on October 14, 2007, 08:40:57 AM
Hmm... like, kind of a bummer than you need HLS to play it... >_>
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Ackart on October 14, 2007, 03:00:13 PM
Holy shit.

Is this a mod released with fucking FULLBRIGHT??!!

Massive fail.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on October 14, 2007, 03:30:23 PM
Yeah it kinda sucks, I think we should recompile the maps with lighting. :3
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Barnz on October 14, 2007, 05:57:20 PM
...or find someone with 64 Bit processor to compile every map for you (seriously, there are lots of maps).
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on October 14, 2007, 08:05:45 PM
Yeah but they could have taken the time to port the maps properly.  As it stands this is a pretty poor port which incredibly looks worse than the original!  No doubt the team behind it could ultimately deliver something better if they put the hours in, but just about the only improvement here are the ragdolls (which HOE already had rudimentary versions of anyway) and the water. 

They could add full HDR and improved textures; and from the sounds of things they need to improve the NPC coding
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: James on October 14, 2007, 08:11:43 PM
Barnz, surely if Nathan had the time back in 2000 (or whenever it was) to compile all the maps, then someone with a modern PC shouldn't have any trouble compiling them?
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Barnz on October 15, 2007, 12:12:01 AM
I guess a batch file can do the trick.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on October 15, 2007, 06:00:45 AM
I'd do it, but I don't know the first thing about mapping, let alone for source (and if it's more complicated than just compiling MODELS for source, then I doubt I'll ever learn either.)
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on October 15, 2007, 05:57:47 PM
It's pretty easy to pick up, certainly much easier than modelling; in fact this would probably be a good learning exercise since all the geometry and entities are already done. 

For a simple convert all you do is open up Source Tools > Hammer (needs to be the source version)
Once you've got Hammer open you want to convert the HOE wad textures to VMT format - which Hammer will do for you, just click on the "WAD to VMT" in the File menu.
In the maps look for any textures which begin with ! (eg !Water) these textures all need to be replaced with Source Liquids - which is easy to do with the Replace Textures function (Tools > Replace Textures)
Then just open up the HOE map files and export them to VMF.
Compile the maps using TCG Compiler

Useful tips / tutorials can be found on these pages
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Source_Mapping_for_Half-Life_1_Mappers (a good reference point for mapping in Source)
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Porting_Goldsource_content_to_Source (models, ragdolls)
http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/HDR_Lighting_Basics

Entities might need changing, depending on which Source game you port to

This is just the bare minimum you need to do in order to port to Source, doing other stuff like inserting Props and higher res textures is pretty easy to do.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on October 15, 2007, 06:07:41 PM
Well I assume the porter (Nathan something) was having trouble with lighting, so he probably made it unlit because of that.

Edit: I don't have an FGD to work with.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Memobot on October 15, 2007, 06:21:35 PM
Well I assume the porter (Nathan something) was having trouble with lighting, so he probably made it unlit because of that.
He could at least have seen if it all worked properly. I know someone that can fix problems like this, so I'll see if he has enough free time.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on October 15, 2007, 07:14:35 PM
Nope, lighting shouldn't be an issue.  All the light entities should be the same, lighting just takes a while to compile - they were being lazy.
You might need to associate certain materials (source textures) with lights, which you can do in a file called lights.rad (just do a search for it on your hard drive, it'll come up if you have hammer installed).

I should mention that skybox names will need changing, since the HL1 skyboxes can't be ported.  So you'll have to use skyboxes from HL2/etc.
If you need any help with anything, let me know!
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Morpheus on October 16, 2007, 01:55:59 AM
I'd like to see someone fix this up, I think Editor's pack should be ported if he allows it when it's released
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Ackart on October 16, 2007, 10:36:42 AM
Well I assume the porter (Nathan something) was having trouble with lighting, so he probably made it unlit because of that.

Edit: I don't have an FGD to work with.

No, wrong. You have earned five minutes in the quiet corner to think about what you have done.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Editor321 on October 16, 2007, 01:17:56 PM
Nathan Ruck had the original HOE, some other guy did the port.

As for the conversion to source of hoe ep, we will see when its done, but I dont think I'd have a problem with it. But its a bit early to say :P

This port is simply that, a direct port, very hack and slash. The full bright maps totally ruin the whole thing imo.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on October 16, 2007, 08:44:35 PM
No, wrong. You have earned five minutes in the quiet corner to think about what you have done.
Like I said, I don't know the first thing about mapping. I've made a box room in hammer and made it playable in HLDM. that's it.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Besli on November 04, 2007, 01:35:31 PM
It looks like a 1:1 convert of Heart of Evil without any enhancements!
Is that true?
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on November 04, 2007, 01:59:25 PM
Yes, and no... overall its actually worse than the original, since the maps aren't properly ported, and the monsters run too fast for some reason.
The only plus sides are that it has water shaders and ragdolls; and its quite interesting that they managed to port the content over to Source (coding too)
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: iceman on November 04, 2007, 07:06:56 PM
Updated link.
http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?user_file_id=625329 (http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?user_file_id=625329)
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Jstanf35 on November 08, 2007, 09:41:57 AM
Updated link.
http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?user_file_id=625329 (http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?user_file_id=625329)
Is this a different version or something? I'd love to play this in Source but not if all the maps are still unlit.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: iceman on November 08, 2007, 05:39:31 PM
Same version just a diffrent host.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Memobot on November 08, 2007, 07:11:35 PM
Yes, and no... overall its actually worse than the original, since the maps aren't properly ported, and the monsters run too fast for some reason.
Plus the fact that the commands you could give to friendly npc's are gone. No commands at all. They might as well be rocks with guns tied to them! >:(
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Morpheus on November 09, 2007, 02:19:12 AM
Barney's AI is far better, and the animations are smoother.

I justa need a They Hunger port, and my life will be complete.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Memobot on November 09, 2007, 04:26:23 PM
I justa need a They Hunger port, and my life will be complete.
Hmm. Yeah. It would.  :P
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: halflifedave on May 11, 2008, 06:17:22 AM
The mod's been updated. It now uses the Orange Box Engine and it looks like they added lighting to the maps.

info = http://www.moddb.com/mods/10369/heart-of-evil-source

direct dl = http://www.moddb.com/mods/10369/heart-of-evil-source/downloads/10828/heart-of-evil-source-update-orange-box-engine
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Barnz on May 11, 2008, 09:22:07 AM
The guy also fixed the speed of monsters.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on May 11, 2008, 12:05:48 PM
You still need HL:S, which I don't have, nor do I ever intend on getting either. :l
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on May 11, 2008, 04:32:04 PM
Urgh what is wrong with the movement in that mod?  It gives me extreme motion sickness :(  Also the graphics still suck - all they did is recompile the maps with lighting, and change the Gameinfo.txt to use the Orange Box.

The AI actually seems worse in this than in the original... the NPCs just stand on a spot and fire from it, there rarely make use of cover or anything.  OK the animation might appear smoother, but when everything looks this bad I don't see the point.  In fact if anything, porting HOE to the Orange Box only makes it look yet more dated.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Memobot on May 13, 2008, 04:56:23 PM
So they haven't even add the NPC commands like 'Take Cover' etc?
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on May 13, 2008, 08:23:17 PM
I didn't check that... I was more meaning the NPCs don't use their own incentive to hide behind buildings, they just stand on a spot and fire at an object until it dies.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Grunt002 on May 13, 2008, 11:17:51 PM
I'm actually pretty impressed by this port.
He actually bothered to make new scripted sequences.
It's far off better than what Valve had done with Half-Life Source.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Aydin on June 11, 2008, 09:08:53 AM
Downloading the update now, i'll give it a go, could be fun  :)
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on June 11, 2008, 05:25:56 PM
I'd play it again, but I don't have HL:S, nor do I plan to get it.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on June 11, 2008, 06:05:28 PM
You can run it without HL:S, just edit the GAMEINFO.TXT ;)
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Fredy on June 11, 2008, 06:34:05 PM
I just tried it and the new Scripted Scenes like Barney and the sergeant riding with you in the helicopter is a nice touch but still, i rather wait for HOE:NE getting a port to source  ;)
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on June 11, 2008, 06:38:35 PM
There isn't an official plan to port HOE:NE to Source, our engine modifications should mean you won't want to bother.
I might hand over my RMFs to a reputable modder following completion of the project, so that the maps could be converted to Source.  Frankly I have nooooooooooo intention of spending loads of time porting all the props  :-X
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Fredy on June 11, 2008, 06:42:40 PM
There isn't an official plan to port HOE:NE to Source, our engine modifications should mean you won't want to bother.
I might hand over my RMFs to a reputable modder following completion of the project, so that the maps could be converted to Source.  Frankly I have nooooooooooo intention of spending loads of time porting all the props  :-X
Yeah, i wasn't thinking about that.I was thinking about separate modders that might want to port it like this mod.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on June 11, 2008, 06:58:02 PM
You can run it without HL:S, just edit the GAMEINFO.TXT ;)

Yeah, but that will fuck up the gibs and stuff it uses, the HL:S textures too.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on June 11, 2008, 07:08:00 PM
I didn't have any problems when I did it ;D  I think all the models that are required are in the mod release; HL1 textures might be being referenced from the HL2 texture set (HL2 has some HL1 textures...)
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on June 11, 2008, 07:32:50 PM
Oh, allright. So what do I change then?
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Aydin on June 12, 2008, 01:28:37 AM
Dude this source port latest update pwns the original hoe,

- Motion blur zomg
- those awesome blood particles from ep2
- AA zomg
- All that sexy texture filtering
-weapon sway
-enhanced animations
- you get to ride in the front with barney, theres a few new animations.
-ragdoll's
ect.

The first patch was an abomination but the latest tweak fixes everything.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Morpheus on June 12, 2008, 02:31:18 AM
I can't play it, have no OB Engine, laptop HDD is maxored.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Aydin on June 12, 2008, 02:38:35 AM
That was a wasted post  ??? then again so Is this, Im a bit stuck, should I kill the guy in the store or let him live?
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Fredy on June 12, 2008, 02:46:08 AM
That was a wasted post  ??? then again so Is this, Im a bit stuck, should I kill the guy in the store or let him live?
Kill the mofo.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on June 12, 2008, 11:04:04 AM
Definitely kill him!  If you let him live, none of the monsters should be hostile to you, he should take you on a path towards somewhere. I'll be honest, I never had the patience to follow him :P

Seriously, you thought the blood particles looked good in EP2?  I thought the older blood particles looked better myself.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Morpheus on June 13, 2008, 02:07:14 AM
That was a wasted post  ??? then again so Is this, Im a bit stuck, should I kill the guy in the store or let him live?

Knife his ass. I followed him once, he took my guns and left me in the apartment building with the tire
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Aydin on June 13, 2008, 09:54:48 AM
Ye he really was useless, I just reopened the chapter and blew his face in
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Mirror on July 30, 2008, 03:32:38 AM
I wonder if anyone would ever port poke646 over to source.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Barnz on July 30, 2008, 03:18:25 PM
I wonder if anyone would ever port poke646 over to source.

You can't port something to Source Engine without source files.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Aydin on August 24, 2008, 10:48:58 AM
You can't port something to Source Engine without source files.

ask the creators, duh?
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: J-Man on August 31, 2008, 02:11:32 PM
P646 for Source would be sweet indeed.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Coozins on August 31, 2008, 02:13:26 PM
A remake of it would be best, although that would take time. The city looked good in Goldsource, just imagine how brilliant it could look remade in Source.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: James on August 31, 2008, 02:45:33 PM
Yeah, Marc Schröder would make some bloody pro stuff on Source.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on August 31, 2008, 04:46:08 PM
Agreed.  Too bad they won't bother http://www.poke646.com/faq_general04.htm  The guy who Ported HOE to Source should get in touch with Marc and ask if he can port it, his HOE port is actually looking alright now (models still suck though ;D).

Other mods which should be ported: all of them.  No seriously:
Todesangst 1 and 2
ETC 1 and 2 (Download the Source files here.  Someone port this!! http://www.fileplanet.com/dl/dl.asp?/planethalflife/davej/etc2src.zip http://www.fileplanet.com/dl/dl.asp?/planethalflife/davej/etc1src.zip )
Afraid of Monsters (*cough cough* anyone know who made that? ;D)
Case Closed
Azure Sheep (Source AI might make it playable)
Edge of Darkness
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Coozins on August 31, 2008, 04:54:28 PM
Let me add to the list:

Point of View
They Hunger
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on August 31, 2008, 05:00:31 PM
Too bad TH has no source code anymore =(  I guess you could decompile maps, but good luck trying to reassemble them  :-\

Personally I didn't enjoy POV too much, but it might be better in Source.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: DiamonD on August 31, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
Afraid of Monsters (*cough cough* anyone know who made that? ;D)

I wouldn't provoke Dwight.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Barnz on August 31, 2008, 08:26:01 PM
They're (officially) remaking They Hunger for Source Engine, and it'll be free. So there is no need to port.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: jack-wonrz on August 31, 2008, 09:28:09 PM
They're (officially) remaking They Hunger for Source Engine, and it'll be free. So there is no need to port.

They are? Last I heard, Black Widow were making They Hunger Lost Souls, a new game, not a remake, and it was supposed to commercial too. Unless it's some third party mod, and with BlackWidow's blessing?
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on August 31, 2008, 10:40:51 PM
What they're doing has nothing to do with the original, or at least not as far as I know.  They did say some parts would be inspired by the original, but nothing more.

I hope it'll be free, last I heard they were charging for it.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Barnz on September 01, 2008, 02:35:17 PM
They are? Last I heard, Black Widow were making They Hunger Lost Souls, a new game, not a remake, and it was supposed to commercial too. Unless it's some third party mod, and with BlackWidow's blessing?

They're working on Lost Souls (you gonna have to pay for this one), and a remake (Episode Zero).

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/8840/pcgthls1lw2.jpg
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/7774/pcgthls2xh9.jpg
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on September 01, 2008, 03:05:02 PM
Cool, thanks Barnz!  That actually sounds interesting from that description...  No HUD and Ironsights ;D  I just hope they don't use that Mossman model.

Episode 0 seems to feature scenes based on the original, I don't know if it actually is a remake or not.  Is there any more info on this?  I hadn't heard of Ep0 before.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Morpheus on September 01, 2008, 10:49:44 PM
I'd love to see a complete remake of They Hunger, make it a bit less goofy.
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Coozins on September 02, 2008, 11:08:59 AM
By the looks of things, you can shoot limbs off the zombies. Excellent!
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on October 24, 2008, 09:30:27 AM
I know I shouldn't be pimping a mod which is directly competing with the mod I'm working on, however the latest release of HOE: Source is actually pretty good fun to play (shock horreur!)

It features stuff like ironsights, an Insurgency style M21, and improved AI.  The AI is improved so that squad mates will keep a safe distance from monsters, and they will find their way over to where you are if you jump over ledge or something; heck even monsters know how to reach you if you start sniping at them from a rooftop.

Sadly however the mod still looks like ass, and still features the nuances of the original's level design (tres annoying!).
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on October 24, 2008, 09:34:24 AM
Also HL:S. >_>
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on October 24, 2008, 09:58:35 AM
Oh yeah it still needs HL:aSs
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on October 24, 2008, 10:03:33 AM
Which I have no intent on purchasing. :(
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on October 24, 2008, 10:37:19 AM
Just open up the GAMEINFO.txt and remove the line which references HL:S
It will mean you get a lot of pink error textures in game though :P  You might be able to work around that by using SD HLS textures (which can be found in FPSBAnana ;))
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: Nige111 on October 24, 2008, 10:42:57 AM
I did that before, it seems to make practically EVERY texture missing, not just a few though. :(
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: SaxonSwine on October 24, 2008, 10:49:13 AM
Try installing these to the HOES directory then:
http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/27567
http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/47973
http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/33791
http://www.fpsbanana.com/skins/15204

Don't overwrite any files in the HOE directory though!
Title: Re: HEART OF EVIL SOURCE!!! (sry for caps)
Post by: DiamonD on October 24, 2008, 11:31:22 AM
Nige, I can let you borrow my account for HL:S. Hit me up on steam, bitch.